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Correspondence with Mr. Brian Murphy
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Brian Murphy
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Table of contents

1) Murphy, Brian (2013-November-21)
2) Jetchick, Stefan (2013-November-23)
3) Murphy, Brian (2013-December-25)
4) Jetchick, Stefan (2013-December-30)
5) Murphy, Brian (2014-Jan-01)
6) Donovan, Patrick (2014-Jan-01)
7) Jetchick, Stefan (2014-Jan-02)
8) Donovan, Patrick (2014-Jan-02)

1) Murphy, Brian (2013-November-21)

-----Original Message-----
From: bgmurphy
Sent: 21 novembre 2013 11:57
To: stefan.jetchick.1
Subject: God's Plan For Life and Humanae Vitae


Dear Stefan:
I would like to propose that your Pro-Life team organize a Humanae
Vitae conference for clergy.  The speakers would be Fr. Matthew
Habiger, Ph.D., O.S.B and myself.  Fr. Matt and I have been doing
these conferences for the last 13 years in the U.S., Mexico and
Kenya.
See: www.godsplanforlife.org/conferences/hvprogram.html


All that is required is to find a Pastor who is willing to host the
event in his parish and provide lunch.  Usually about ten priests
will come for the two-day event.  Naturally, simultaneous translation
into French would be required.  Our experience has been that priests
really appreciate this event.  At the end of the conference, I will
ask them for a show of hands if they will commit to preach four
homilies per year on Humanae Vitae.  Usually, the show of hands is
unanimous.

I am also looking for someone to continue the translation effort of
our web site into French.  There has been a good start..  Please
report any errors.  If you study the site, you will see that the
strategy is to boldly proclaim the truth of the Church's teachings on
love, marriage, family, children and the crucial role of the virtue
of chastity for building a culture of life.

Sincerely in Christ,
Brian Murphy
Chairman
God's Plan For Life
19 Rosana Way
Coto de Caza, CA 92679
www.godsplanforlife.org

2) Jetchick, Stefan (2013-November-23)

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Jetchick
Sent: 23 novembre 2013 13:19
To: bgmurphy
Subject: RE: God's Plan For Life and Humanae Vitae

Good day Mr. Brian Murphy,

Thanks for contacting Pro-Life Quebec City.


>> I would like to propose that your Pro-Life team
>> organize a Humanae Vitae conference for clergy.

Many, many things come to my mind after such a request.

1) Impeccable intention:

"to boldly proclaim the truth of the Church's teachings on
love, marriage, family, children and the crucial role of the
virtue of chastity for building a culture of life"

I see nothing wrong with your intention, and I also see
the great need for such truths in the moral desert of
Soviet Quebekistan, where I currently unfortunately live.

2) Apparently orthodox web site:

I obviously can't read your whole web site, but after
randomly clicking and reading for about 15 minutes,
everything seems quite faithful to the Magisterium
of the Catholic Church. And since I try to be as faithful
as I can to that same Magisterium, we both agree on
many things:

A few examples of our many points of agreement:

	The Winnipeg Statement (yours)
	The Winnipeg Statement (Mine)

	The importance still today of condemning heresies,
	and specific heresies, like:
	The Primacy of Conscience Heresy (Yours)
	The Primacy of Conscience Heresy (Mine)

	I also agree with what reaction we should have with
	heretics:
	Yours: "Clandestine heretics are by far the most numerous, the most
	devious and the most difficult to deal with. They do not publicly
	proclaim their heresy, so as not to be called heretics. Yet, quietly,
	they promote it with silent approval of every instance that comes before
	them. The Church will have the difficult challenge of dealing with
	clandestine heretics. Yet, the most effective way of dealing with heresy
	is to go to the source - the heretics. They need to be called to
	repentance or removed from positions of teaching or pastoral care."
	(Source)

	Mine: "Our religious leaders in Quebec have failed us. A small minority
	has failed us by becoming heretics, and the large majority has failed us
	by not having the courage to speak up (i.e. by committing sins of
	omission)." (Source) "According to me, the majority of Quebecers are
	actually Protestants." (Source) "[...] deal with these people [heretics]
	according to Canon Law and Canadian Law" (Source)

	I can't find fault with your pro-life voting advice.
	Mine isn't as well-summarized, but it's quite clear.

	Etc, etc.


3) I am apparently the wrong person to organize this:

Granted, I could donate two of my work days for the
simultaneous French translation of your event. The good news
stops about there!

Simultaneous translation requires three interpreters a
day, so we're looking at about 6 times 700$. Then you need
to rent a translation booth, translation receivers, a
sound technician, etc. That will set you back over 1000K
on top of the interpreters.

And that is the easy part.

If you browse through my personal web site a bit, you'll
see that no Quebec member of the clergy will touch me
with a 10-foot pole. (The only one who was less timid,
Fr. Guillaume Loddé of the FSSP, went back to France.)

You say "All that is required is to find a Pastor who is
willing to host the event in his parish". I can't even
find a "catholic" priest or bishop who will come to pray
one hour for an end to abortion! Tens of thousands of
innocent persons are killed every year in this Province,
and no priests nor bishops are willing to clearly and
publicly state what the Church teaches about abortion.
And I've been searching far and wide for almost ten years.
So a two-day event on contraception seems like a long
shot.

You might think there is an easy solution: just avoid
me and go straight to the bishops or the priests in
this Province. You're welcome to try. I would pray for
your success. But I've been living here almost all
my life, and going to Mass very often, and I've never
heard the words "bad" and "contraception" in the same
sentence, coming out of the mouth of a member of the
clergy.

You say: "At the end of the conference, I will ask
them for a show of hands if they will commit to preach
four homilies per year on Humanae Vitae.  Usually, the
show of hands is unanimous."

If you can get a bunch of priests from Soviet
Quebekistan to preach four homilies per year on Humanae
Vitae (other than to attack it!), then you are the
Messiah!

:-)

Seriously, a good buddy of mine, Georges Buscemi, has
organized various pro-life conferences in this Province,
including one where an actual flesh-and-blood Bishop
spoke! (He's gone too.) He's the go-to man in Montreal
for such things.


>> I am also looking for someone to continue the translation
>> effort of our web site into French.

I get this request so often I even have a FAQ number for it:

	17) "Could you translate this document for that good cause?"

So the question becomes: is the task of translating your web
site a higher priority than my current best assessment of what
needs to be done to help the Church?

I think not. Right now, what little spare time and money I have
are spent battling with the "catholic" priests and bishops in
this Province to have them recognize that God exists, that
Jesus Christ is God, and that the Catholic Church is His only Church.

Until those foundations are re-established, no use talking about
the pill, in my opinion.

Another clue as to the gravity of this whole situation is the
fact your organization even exists! Imagine if somebody tried
to organize some kind of association dedicated to make
conferences in front of executives of Greenpeace, to explain
to them that we need to protect the environment! Or if
somebody tried to make conferences in front of leaders of
Alcoholics Anonymous, to make them understand that abuse of
alcohol was bad!

Those people would be laughed out of business!

But people like you and me feel obliged to do what we do,
BECAUSE our bishops are not doing their job to defend the
Culture of Life! Our bishops are guilty of high treason, and our
recent Popes have been less than stellar as far as "making
the trains run on time" in the Vatican, i.e. as far as
disciplining bishops who teach bad things, or (even more
common) who ignore the heretics who disseminate heresies in
their own diocese.

Anyway, I currently don't have any brilliant suggestions.
And I certainly don't want to prevent good people from
solving the problem, just because I'm currently depressed
because of our lame-duck Pope Francis who is busy sowing
even more doctrinal and moral confusion.

In Christ,

Stefan

3) Murphy, Brian (2013-December-25)

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Murphy [bgmurphy (add "at" sign) cox.net]
Sent: 25 décembre 2013 10:47
To: Stefan Jetchick
Cc: Robert Knebel [RKnebel (add "at" sign) rogers.com];
'patrick donovan' [dnewera (add "at" sign) videotron.ca]
Subject: FW: Subjective Assessment of Cardinal Ouellet
Stefan:

You should be interested in the response below that I received
from my cousin Robert (Bob) Knebel to a request that I submitted
to him to review your web site.  Bob is an orthodox single
Catholic lay person, a graduate of McGill and one who has
prayerfully studied the depths of the faith for many decades while
performing a spiritual retreat ministry in the Toronto area.  He
and I communicate frequently and are acutely aware of the crisis
of the Church in Quebec, where we both used to live, as well as
around the world.  In our conversations together by telephone, we
applaud your commitment, your zeal and rejoice that someone is
fearless in taking a stand - a sorely needed charism.  However, we
do not support your complete assignment of blame to the clergy.
See below.

Sincerely in Christ,

Brian Murphy

Chairman
God's Plan For Life
19 Rosana Way
Coto de Caza, CA 92679
http://www.godsplanforlife.org
(949) 235-4045 (Cell)

From: Bob Knebel
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 7:49 PM
To: Brian Murphy
Subject: Subjective Assessment of Cardinal Ouellet

Hi Brian

I read the Subjective Assessment Of Cardinal Ouellet
that you  asked me to review  to determine if it is righteous
and God"s Will

One essential question kept running through my mind :
What is the root cause of the deterioration? Stefan's deduction
(taken from his website) that the fault belongs with the Clergy
goes like this:
" Is it God's fault? No." ( I agree with Stefan).
" Is it the Pope's fault? No." (I agree with Stefan).
" Is it the teachings of the Church? No." ( I agree with Stefan).
" Could we finger the Laity?" Stefan says No. I say YES!
This is where we reach - as the saying goes -"the parting of the
ways".

I could end it all here and being a Quebecer like you say "au
revoir" but let me proceed without trying to be too intimidating .

First of all - I think we can all concede that the problem we are
now encountering with the Clergy is nothing new! Our Blessed
Mother first warned us of this scandal at La Salette (1846)
through a pair of shabby peasant children who bravely and
courageously went forth with Her messages only to be vilified and
scorned because they had spoken the truth. She described the
developing scandal and prophesied the problem in Her Son's Church
that would come to a crescendo in the end times as a scandal
involving wayward Priests, Bishops. and Cardinals. At no time
during her apparitions at La Salette did Mary advise that this
problem could be rectified by scrutinizing the Clergy - a course
that  Stefan persues. The same applies to Lourdes and Fatima. How
to accomplish the correction? The answer from Lourdes, Fatima and
La Salette is simple and the same. There are two means. One is
Prayer. The other is Penance.There is no mention about 'fingering"
our Clergy as a way to rectify the problem. That may be man's way
- not The Lord's.

Stefan then goes on to make a rather vague statement that " the
Laity is no better or worse than in "the good old days". Does he
have any solid data to back this up? If not - I suggest he take a
good look at Michael Voris' video (Church Militant TV) that you
recently (Sept.30.2013) forwarded to me via email titled :Dispatch
from the front lines. Your comment (Brian) on Oct.3,2013 indicated
that you did not realize that the collapse was so bad in the
U.S.and it could be the Great Apostacy. Although Voris' study
deals mainly with the U.S.- from what Stefan indicates  - the
situation in Quebec is just as bad or worse!

Without sufficient solid backing to support that it is not  the
Laity's fault Stefan seems "eager" to proceed to "tackle" the
Clergy. It's always great to "wash our hands"by pointing the
finger at the "other" guy .Stefan creates the impression that the
Clergy and in this case Cardinal Ouellet are the culprits.
Although you have to give him cudos for standing up and being
counted - he negates this effort by  heading in the wrong
direction with his "lets get at the Clergy" syndrome.

In effect, the opposite is true. WE (the Laity) are the culprits
of this degeneration. Because we are not praying enough and doing
enough penance - priests are not getting sufficient graces and
consequently the faithful are not getting led properly. Having
reviewed Stefan's website (but not in detail) - I realize that he
is amongst those who are in the category.of  praying and doing
penance.Terrible events can be prevented by an individual  praying
alone  - but in many cases this is not enough. We must call on our
friends and acquaintances to come together in groups of prayer.

A lot  goes back to our recent correspondence whereby St. Pius V
was quoted as saying regarding the root causes of the evils which
surround us:" All evils of the world are due to LUKEWARM
Catholics".Stefan touches on lukewarm Catholics on his website -
although shunts its importance aside along with the matter of
prayer in order to get to the "meat of the matter "- The Clergy.

I do not believe that Stefan's Subjective Assessment of Cardinal
Ouellet is righteous and God's will. To me - it would be in line
with Divine Will if Stefan took a different "tact" or approach:.

	"Have you caught anything, friends? ' and when they answered
	"no"
	He said: " Throw the net out to STARBOARD and you'll find
	something."
	(Jn. 21:5-6)

Stefan is in the 'right boat" but rather than throwing his net on
the port side (Cardinal Ouellet) - he should try the starboard
tact. As a suggestion this starboard tactic could take the form of
Prayer Groups titled "Mea Culpa Cenacles" originating with
"several buddies in the Diocese"and" informants" mentioned in his
website and under the auspices of Our Blessed Mother. Family,
friends and acquaintances could be added as mentioned above. The
main focus of these Cenacles would be to pray and do penance for
Clergy. First up on the agenda would be Cardinal Ouellet. Who
knows -"a storm of Holiness" could emerge to clean up the Church
in Quebec along with a Good & Joyful Inquisition which Stefan
purports on his website. Basically - it's back to the
fundamentals.

It may seem like a step backward but oftentimes we are on the
right track (in the boat) but reluctant to take that last "chicky
step"(starboard cast) - see II Kings 5:10 where Elisha tells
Nathan to bathe 7 times in the Jordan. It sounds ridiculous - but
that is what he must do to cleanse his flesh. Not five - not six
but seven! ( As an aside - Fatima specifically requests that
Russia be mentioned. From Heaven's standpoint - alluding to the
World doesn't qualify!

Regarding Stefan's website - I was impressed particularly with the
references to the ten heresies, along with the FAQ, and the
satanic spirit of Vatican II.  I  agree that we should stand up to
Clergy who profess a different Gospel than the Magesterium.
However - based on the above - I wish Stefan would take a more
positive tact and start by removing the Subjective Assessment Of
Cardinal Ouellet from his website. If he does not remove this
article - then he should at least clearly state at the start that
it is "us" not 'them"(Clergy) who are responsible for the current
crisis in  the Clergy. Another alternative would be to eliminate
the entire article except for the last sentence - ' I guess I need
to increase prayer,fasting, alms- giving and mortification..."
Right on "- but do it in Cenacles (groups) to give it "a knockout
punch". As mentioned above - this is the extra "chicky step" which
I feel he may be reluctant to take! I pray not.

Stefan's remarks about  Pope John Paul II and how "he had the
unfortunate habit of naming Bishops who were well known for their
"very diplomatic' approach ( I would say "effeminate") "should not
be mentioned. Stefan is "out of bounds" on this one - even though
it is his own opinion and he "loves" J.P.II. This does not build
up the body of Christ and tends to negate (my) esteem for J.P.II
whom I also love. Nor does his "scrutiny" of Ouellet build up the
body of Christ. Again  - I see another "loose canon' shot taken at
Pope Francis in his email to you where he states " ...our lame
duck Pope Francis who is busy sewing even more doctrinal and moral
confusion". For gosh sakes - give our new Pope a break! He has
hardly "stepped up to the plate" and He's being labelled a
strikeout! It could very well be that The Lord has put Pope
Francis there to instigate the very work ( cleasning and purifying
the Church) - that Stefan wishes to accomplish. However the Pope
alone cannot be successful in ferreting out those who are doing
the work of the evil one without our prayers and sacrifice which
is lacking . We must augment our efforts including the employment
of group prayer!

To lend support that it is our fault and not the Clergy - I would
like to add a quotation from St. John Eudes:

	" The most evident mark of God's anger and the most  terrible
	castigation He can inflict upon the world are manifested when
	He permits His people to fall into the hands of clergy who are
	priests more in  name than in deed, priests who practice the
	cruelty of ravening wolves rather than the charity and
	affection of devoted shepherds....
	" When God permits such things, it is a very positive proof
	that  He is thoroughly angry with HIS PEOPLE, and is visiting
	His most dreadful anger upon them. That is why he cries
	unceasingly to Christians,

	" Return, O ye revolting children...and
	I will give you PASTORS according to My own
	heart" (Jer.3,14:15).

Thus, irregularities in the lives of priests constitute a scourge
visited upon the people in consequence of sin.."

Today we have infiltration of all kinds into the priesthood ,
because - among other reasons - many in the Church have stopped
doing prayer and social penance. But it is also due  to our
collective sins. We do not pray and sacrifice enough for them.
This scandal is a wakeup call to each and every one of us, EVEN
THE GOOD, to do penance.

Blessings

and as they say in La Belle Province
IL est ne, Le Divin Enfant
Say Hi and Greetings to Louise and all your Family
Bob K.

4) Jetchick, Stefan (2013-December-30)

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Jetchick
Sent: 30 décembre 2013 13:54
To: Brian Murphy
Cc: Robert Knebel; 'patrick donovan'
Subject: RE: Subjective Assessment of Cardinal Ouellet

Good day again Mr. Brian Murphy,
(And good day Mr. Robert Knebel and Mr. Patrick Donovan,)

Terribly sorry about the long delay.


>> we do not support your complete assignment of blame to the clergy.

I don't blame the clergy exclusively, but I guess that wasn't
clear enough since you missed it. So I added a distinction between
the order of holiness, and the order of science, in my analysis
of who is to blame for the state of the Church in Quebec.

I also added headers to clarify why we should criticize the clergy,
including a quote from the seer of La Salette, for which I'm
eternally grateful to your cousin. I never would have thought
of quoting the Virgin Mary! And to think our Blessed Mother
was even speaking FRENCH when she said those thing! So appropriate!

I owe your cousin and you a huge pizza or something!


>> You should be interested in the response below that I received
>> from my cousin Robert

OK, let's dig into his feedback!


>> What is the root cause of the deterioration? [...]
>> " Is it God's fault? No." ( I agree with Stefan).
>> " Is it the Pope's fault? No." (I agree with Stefan).
>> " Is it the teachings of the Church? No." ( I agree with Stefan).

OK, so far so good.


>> "Could we finger the Laity?" Stefan says No. I say YES!
>> This is where we reach - as the saying goes - "the parting of the
>> ways". I could end it all here and being a Quebecer like you say "au
>> revoir"

Well, you could, but then Logic would slap you upside the head
with a big: "Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur"!

;-)

Seriously, we need to put on a balance the arguments For, and the
arguments Against, then decide which side "weighs" more. Just
saying one disagrees isn't enough, of course.


>> the problem we are
>> now encountering with the Clergy is nothing new! [...] At no time
>> during her apparitions at La Salette did Mary advise that this
>> problem could be rectified by scrutinizing the Clergy - a course
>> that Stefan pursues.

This seems like a new marketing twist to sell an old heresy. Kind
of like slapping endearing pictures of the Virgin on Quietism.

This is even funnier when you consider this made me go read what
the Virgin Mary said at La Salette, since She not only scrutinizes
the clergy, but gives the clergy one heck of a blast of criticism!


>> How to accomplish the correction? The answer from Lourdes, Fatima and
>> La Salette is simple and the same. There are two means. One is
>> Prayer. The other is Penance. There is no mention about 'fingering"
>> our Clergy as a way to rectify the problem.

Please Mr. Knebel, go do your homework!


>> "the Laity is no better or worse than in "the good old days".
>> Does he have any solid data to back this up?

Sure. It's called Sociology. I know Sociology has a bad reputation
among good Catholics, because there are so many bad sociologists
around. But the Science of Sociology exists, and can be well-conducted:

	The Method of Sociology

I'm not saying that if you took a statistically-significant sample
of French-Canadian laity today, and compared that to another sample of
French-Canadian laity of yesteryear, you would not find a large increase
in the moral corruption of today's sample. Of course you would.
I totally agree that today's average French-Canadian is far more
corrupt than yesteryear's.

What I am saying is that if you could somehow take today's
sample, make all those French-Canadians into babies again, then have
them raised in the atmosphere of yesteryear (an atmosphere produced
mostly by the influence of good clergy), and took yesteryear's
sample, made all those into babies too, and have them raised in
today's corrupt and pagan atmosphere (an atmosphere produced mostly
by the influence of bad clergy), you would not notice a significant
difference between the corruption of today's sample compared with
yesteryear's sample raised in today's atmosphere, nor would you find
a significant difference in the holiness of yesteryear's sample,
compared with today's sample raised in yesteryear's atmosphere.

This is what I mean when I say: "In my infantry officer's course,
I was taught that in a large group of soldiers, what made the
difference was the quality of the officers." The quote from the
Curé d'Ars says the same thing in different words.


>> Without sufficient solid backing to support that it is not the
>> Laity's fault Stefan seems "eager" to proceed to "tackle" the
>> Clergy.

"Without sufficient backing"?

Hello?

Do you have any idea what the typical French-Canadian
layperson is up against in this Province?

Let's imagine French-Canadian layperson who appears
out of the blue, with only a Baptismal Certificate and a
blank mind.

What is he going to learn in school? Not Catholicism: teaching
Catholicism, even in private Catholic schools, is now
illegal, thanks to our Bishops.
What can a layman do when his own Bishops tell the Government that
taking away our Catholic schools is OK? You would blame the
layman for not saying enough Rosaries?

What is he going to learn in church? Typical Liberal
Protestantism. He will learn that abortion is fine, that we
automatically go to Heaven, that the Word of God and the
Eucharist are not important, that the Spirit of Vatican II
is wonderful, that all religions are equal, that the Catechism
of the Catholic Church is not a binding document, etc, etc...
What can an unprepared layman do when this is what is taught in
churches? Is it reasonable to ask the laity to go anywhere but in
Catholic churches to learn about their religion? You would blame the
layman for not saying enough Rosaries?

Can this layman expect any relief from new Priests
coming out of Seminaries in the Province of Quebec?
Come with me, and we'll examine what fruits are coming off
of that tree, especially here in the Diocese of Quebec!
Can the laity control what is going on inside the Seminary?
You would blame the layman for not saying enough Rosaries?

"Without sufficient backing"?

I can back up every single accusation I make on my web site,
normally with things I've seen and heard myself. I can take
you to parishes and make you talk to Priests who claim that
Jesus didn't cause Transubstantiation when he instituted the
Eucharist, or that abortion is fine, or that the Pope is not
infallible when speaking "ex cathedra", or that Hell is
empty (or inexistant), etc. Our local Bishop, after three
years of silence, has published his first Pastoral Letter,
in which he encourages the laity to go to "Liturgies of the
Word" lead by a layperson, for Sunday Obligation, instead
of driving 5 more minutes to go to a real Mass with a real
Priest...


>> It's always great to "wash our hands" by pointing the
>> finger at the "other" guy.

True, but sometimes it does happen that the other guy is
guilty.

Come here, and we will make a list of all the problems
in the Catholic Church in Quebec, and then we will see
who has the authority to fix those problems, the laity
or the Bishops.


>> Stefan creates the impression that the
>> Clergy and in this case Cardinal Ouellet are the culprits.

I "create the impression"?

And about Cardinal Ouellet: I give a detailed list of
accusations. Why don't you explain, item by item, why these
accusations are false? Because they are true. Each one
of them could be proven in a court of law, with supporting
documents (most of them signed by Ouellet himself) and
plenty of witnesses.

And I explicitely claim Ouellet is the least bad Bishop
in the Province! That's not exactly blaming Ouellet for all our
evils!


>> WE (the Laity) are the culprits
>> of this degeneration. Because we are not praying enough and doing
>> enough penance - priests are not getting sufficient graces and
>> consequently the faithful are not getting led properly.

I totally agree the laity shares part of the blame, but certainly
not the biggest part. Responsibility for a disaster is proportional
to authority over the means to avoid that disaster. For example,
the bus driver has the authority over the steering wheel, so he
is to blame if the bus steers over the cliff.

Go read the Code of Canon Law. The Bishop have almost autocratic
authority over his diocese. He can yank any Priest out of
any Parish for just about any reason (rumor is our local Bishop
manoeuvred to expel Loddé back to France because he was overtly pro-life). He
can accept any candidate
in the Seminary and make him breeze into the Priesthood. He can
exalt any layperson he wants (currently, in the Diocese of Quebec,
almost all decisions are currently taken by Marie Chrétien).

The laity have almost no authority. And you would saddle them
with the majority of the responsibility? Because they didn't
say enough Rosaries?

Wow!

At least, if Bishops were democratically elected like our Members
of Parliament, we could do the math: 80 000 votes for the
MP in my riding (approx.), and my MP sucks, therefore I have
0.0000125 of the blame. Well, no actually, since I didn't vote
for him.

I'm absolutely not in favor of elected Bishops (the Catholic
Church is not a democracy), but that does illustrate a real
situation where you can "blame a layman", if he didn't vote well.

Except the laity has no control over who becomes a Bishop. And
only one person on Earth can remove a corrupt Bishop.

What I find even more hilarious is that the Clergy passes your
exam with a perfect score! They can't do any wrong! Our Bishops
are perfect!

Hum, I think I've seen something like that before!

	The Catholic Omertà


>> "All evils of the world are due to LUKEWARM Catholics".

... especially lukewarm members of the Clergy!

;-)


>> I do not believe that Stefan's Subjective Assessment of Cardinal
>> Ouellet is righteous and God's will.

"Believe"?

Have you done your homework?

Moreover, I certainly don't "believe" Ouellet is
perfectly guilty! I, on the contrary, am on the record (on the Canadian
Broadcasting Corporation, when I was interviewed by several CBC
reporters after the press conference of Ouellet where he announced
he was called back to Rome) as saying he was the best we had in
Quebec. A local Priest even told me one of his friends in **Romania**
saw that report and heard my words!


>> this starboard tactic could take the form of
>> Prayer Groups titled "Mea Culpa Cenacles"

I'm all in the favor of praying and doing penance for the
Clergy, especially the Bishops (since what few good Priests
are left in Quebec are normally persecuted by their own
Bishops).

But I do doubt I could make all these people sit quietly
without laughing if I tried to tell them the laity was
mostly to blame! They would laugh me out of the house!


>> I wish Stefan would take a more
>> positive tact and start by removing the Subjective Assessment Of
>> Cardinal Ouellet from his website.

Please see your homework assignment above.


>> he should at least clearly state at the start that
>> it is "us" not 'them" (Clergy) who are responsible for the current
>> crisis in the Clergy.

Please go re-read why the laity can and should criticize the clergy.


>> Stefan's remarks about Pope John Paul II [...] Stefan is "out
>> of bounds" on this one

Please go re-read why the laity can and should criticize the clergy.


>> Nor does his "scrutiny" of Ouellet build up the
>> body of Christ.

Why "scrutiny" in scare quotes?

As opposed to you, I've been living almost all my life here, in
the diocese where Ouellet was for 8 years. I met him several times,
read most of his doctrinal documents, sent him many letters,
spoke with many Priests close to him, etc.

Why don't you carefully scrutinize what I accuse Ouellet of?

If you don't, you're accusing me of slandering my Bishop without
proof. You are committing the serious sin you are accusing me of!
Don't slander me, go do your homework! I did
mine!


>> For gosh sakes - give our new Pope a break! He has
>> hardly "stepped up to the plate" and He's being labelled a
>> strikeout!

Pope Francis has not "hardly stepped up to the plate". He has
been Pope for over nine months, and has already had plenty of
opportunities to swish his baseball bat through the air, while
simultaneously missing the ball:

	The Private Jet Of Pope Francis


>> It could very well be that The Lord has put Pope
>> Francis there to instigate the very work (cleansing and purifying
>> the Church) - that Stefan wishes to accomplish.

That would be so swell!

But given the direction he has already clearly taken, I have my
doubts.

But since you didn't carefully read what I said about
Cardinal Ouellet, I doubt you'll carefully read what I say about
Ouellet's boss.


>> However the Pope
>> alone cannot be successful in ferreting out those who are doing
>> the work of the evil one

Please, he's not even trying!

Ferreting out the wolves in the sheepfold is very easy:

	The Anti-Post-Modernist Oath


>> To lend support that it is our fault and not the Clergy - I would
>> like to add a quotation from St. John Eudes

Assuming the quote is correct, it targets people who
have revolted. I haven't revolted. I believe everything the
Holy Mother Church teaches and believes. I try my best to
be a saint. There are many others like me. We are guilty for
the bus having fallen off the cliff, even though we don't
control the steering wheel? We are guilty, even though
we are the ones asking for our Bishops and our Priests to
stop revolting against Christ and His Magisterium?

Wow... I don't know what you're smoking, but it isn't tobacco!

:-)


>> many in the Church have stopped
>> doing prayer and social penance. But it is also due to our
>> collective sins. We do not pray and sacrifice enough for them.
>> This scandal is a wakeup call to each and every one of us, EVEN
>> THE GOOD, to do penance.

Yes, once again, I totally agree with prayer and penance, even
if we haven't personally done anything wrong.

What I disagree with is the happytalk that ignores the elephant
in the sacristy (the corruption of Bishops), while simultaneously
criticizing the faithful remnant of laypersons who are slugging
it out in the trenches, battling the Leftist Media, the evermore
tyrannical Government, the baby-killing feminist witches, the
homofascists, etc., all of this while trying to raise children
and pay the bills, while the Clergy is shooting them in the back...

I don't know much about you or your organization, but so far,
every time I've seen such happytalk, somebody was receiving
money from the clergy. In your case, maybe you would not
be able to put your foot in the door of any diocese, if you
dared to mention "the elephant in the sacristy". So you would
lose money. Also, I'd love to hear the opinion of the chap
called "Very Reverend Charles Wright, OSB" mentioned on your
web site. Normally priests can see the elephant as well as
anybody else, but they are so terrified of their corrupt
Bishops that they don't dare speak.

In Christ,

Stefan

5) Murphy, Brian (2014-Jan-01)

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Murphy
Sent: 1 janvier 2014 00:24
To: 'Stefan Jetchick'
Cc: 'Robert Knebel'; 'patrick donovan'
Subject: RE: Subjective Assessment of Cardinal Ouellet

Stefan:

Thank you for your thoughtful reply.  In one respect your arguments
are very logical and sound.  In another respect, we will never know
what the Church might be today if the laity had done the following:

	1. Not rebelled

	2. Stayed faithful in prayer and penance

Nor do we know what avalanche of blessings would flow if everyone
obeyed Mary's current requests for prayer and penance.  My personal
objective is to work on that first.

This is a spiritual debate for which the final answer is not crystal
clear.  Personally, I refrain from public criticisms because I spent
decades in sin and indifference.  I am happy to be forgiven but not
quite willing to push the good deal that I got from heaven too far.
I constantly ask myself if this is humility or cowardice.  Also, the
situation here in California is not quite as bad as in Quebec.  The
Churches are full and people are trying very hard to serve the Lord.

I will say, that like you, many who share our concern for the Church
would rejoice if the bishops started firing the clandestine heretics
and the Pope started firing the bishops who refused to fire the
clandestine heretics.

Sincerely in Christ,

Brian Murphy

Chairman

God's Plan For Life

6) Donovan, Patrick (2014-Jan-01)

-----Original Message-----
From: patrick donovan
Sent: 1 janvier 2014 14:51
To: Stefan Jetchick
Cc: patrick donovan
Subject: Yours of Dec. 30, 2013---Patrick

Dear Mr. Stefan Jetchick,

'Best of God's blessings in the New Year!

I have carefully read your document of 30 December, 2013.
I thank you and  commend you on the clarity of your thinking.  I
encourage you to move forward withut fear.

In your writing you state: "I can take you to parishes and
make you talk to priests who claim Jesus didn't cause
the Transubstantiation when He instituted the Eucharist."

I do not doubt your statement.

The real problem is that this argument exposes the Achilles heel of
the Roman Catholic Church.

Either Jesus is present in the wine after consecration
or He is not.

If the wine has truly been changed to His Blood, it would
have to have an acceptable Blood Alcohol Level [BAC]
to permit life.

Before consecration, the alcohol level in the wine is 11.5%
[or thereabouts].  A small amount of water is added to the wine-
reducing the alcohol level to greater than 9%.

After consecration, the Blood Alcohol Level iremains greater
than 9%.

At that level, if the wine is truly Jesus Blood,
Jesus is either dead -or in a coma as a result of
alcohol poisoning.

This is a matter of fact -vs.- belief.

Science has trumped faith.

How do we know what has happened?

In Quebec 9% BAC is more than 115 times the legal limit.

Quebec drivers who have been convicted of DUI [Driving
Under the Influence]. sometimes called DWI [Driving While
Intoxicated']  are often sentenced to mandatory recovery;
court ordered attendance at 12 step programs; and are
often required to install an Ignition Interlock Device [IID]
or Breath Ignition Interruption Device  [BIID] in their vehicles.

For those restricted to zero tolerance, all it takes is one
very small sip of the  "Blood" to put them "over the line."

Their car won't start.

Such persons are well advised:

"Don't drink the Blood."

From what you write, it seems some of the
priests in the Quebec area may be prepared to discuss and debate
this matter.

The subject certainly is not closed.

Again, I thank your for your writings.  Please continue
your good work.


Jesus is Lord!   Patrick Donovan

7) Jetchick, Stefan (2014-Jan-02)

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Jetchick
Sent: 2 janvier 2014 14:56
To: Brian Murphy
Cc: 'Robert Knebel'; 'patrick donovan'
Subject: RE: Subjective Assessment of Cardinal Ouellet

Good day Mr. Brian Murphy and Mr. Patrick Donovan,

>> Best of God's blessings in the New Year!

Thank you! Same to both of you!


>> we will never know
>> what the Church might be today if the laity had done the following:
>> 	1. Not rebelled
>> 	2. Stayed faithful in prayer and penance

Well, strictly speaking, God knows (God knows what is
technically known as "future contingents", see
Summa Theologica, Ia, Q. 14, A. 13),
so we can ask God if we get to Heaven, and He will tell us.

But I agree with you, prayer and penance is always an
improvement for the Church, whether it is done by the
laity or the clergy (or even better, by both! :-)


>> Nor do we know what avalanche of blessings would flow

Yes, I agree with you, we would be "hit" by a nice avalanche
if we obeyed Mary's current requests for prayer and penance.


>> My personal objective is to work on that first.

It is one of my objectives too!


>> Personally, I refrain from public criticisms

I try to refrain too, except when Faith is attacked. Then
the Church teaches us we have to speak out (respectfully,
of course):

	3) Why can we publicly criticize a superior?


>> the
>> situation here in California is not quite as bad as in Quebec.

Enjoy it! Sometimes I feel like moving back to the USA!


>> like you, many who share our concern for the Church
>> would rejoice if the bishops started firing the clandestine heretics
>> and the Pope started firing the bishops who refused to fire the
>> clandestine heretics.

If that happened, I would party for a week!

:-)

Personally, I think if Pope Francis just did what you wrote,
we would also be "hit" by a huge avalanche of blessings!

			*	*	*

Now, for the somewhat strange reply of Mr. Patrick Donovan.


>> The real problem is that this argument exposes the
>> Achilles' heel of the Roman Catholic Church.

Ah, so you're a Protestant. Sorry, I didn't know. OK, let's
look into your argument.


>> Either Jesus is present in the wine after consecration
>> or He is not.

Actually, there is no wine after Transubstantiation.

The wine doesn't exist anymore. Only the "accidents" of
wine. The substance of wine is totally gone. There are
many explanations on the Internet. This one is a good
start:

	Transubstantiation
	by Frank J. Sheed

A quick excerpt:

	"The senses can no more perceive the new substance
	resulting from the consecration than they could have
	perceived the substance there before. We cannot repeat
	too often that senses can perceive only accidents, and
	consecration changes only the substance. The accidents
	remain in their totality - for example, that which was
	wine and is now Christ's blood still has the smell of
	wine, the intoxicating power of wine. One is
	occasionally startled to find some scientist claiming
	to have put all the resources of his laboratory into
	testing the consecrated bread; he announces
	triumphantly that there is no change whatever, no
	difference between this and any other bread. We could
	have told him that, without the aid of any instrument.
	For all that instruments can do is to make contact with
	the accidents, and it is part of the doctrine of
	transubstantiation that the accidents undergo no change
	whatever."


>> If the wine has truly been changed to His Blood, it would
>> have to have an acceptable Blood Alcohol Level [BAC]
>> to permit life.

As said above, your long and contorted argument just kicks
down an open door: the Catholic Church teaches that all
the accidents of wine remain (among others the intoxicating
capabilities of wine).


>> Science has trumped faith.

More like: Your ignorance has trumped your credibility!

Make sure you actually read what the Church teaches before
criticizing Her!

Cheers,

Stefan

8) Donovan, Patrick (2014-Jan-02)

-----Original Message-----
From: patrick donovan
Sent: 2 janvier 2014 19:14
To: Stefan Jetchick
Cc: patrick donovan
Subject: Re: Subjective Assessment of Cardinal Ouellet

Dear Mr. Jetchick,

Thank you for your prompt rely.

Frank J. Sheed died on 20 November, 1981 and
cannot be called as a witness.  The case is expected to be tried on the law
and the evidence. The prosecution is expected to argue Aristotlean substance
and essence
[ouisa]; i.e. empirical evidence.

Both Sheed's writings and your comments support
the final point in my note to you:

"Such persons [IID and BIID useers] are well advised:

                Don't drink the Blood."

Thank you for your support-and for your respectful courtesy.

Jesus is Lord,  Patrick Donovan

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